Yesterday I hit the "next blog" button one time and only one time. I was transported through cyberspace to a happy place, a page ironically called "Live in the Real World". No, it was not some spoiled brat from MTV's account of their 2 months without mommy and daddy, instead it was the chloroform of a confirmed Christian, justifying why their beliefs are so. It is self affirmation-- "Maybe if I say the sky isn't blue enough others will believe it is red".
She posed the question, "Does God make us suffer to teach us?" I read her arguments, based closely from scripture and her interpretations. I then commented with my two cents.
Unfortunately, like most Christians, such thought-provking differences in opinion are not even considered, and my response was not posted to her page. Why? Because she can't answer it, and neither can her lousy book of myth and lies.
Since she won't post my comments, I'll post her entry here, followed by my comment. You may feel compelled to chime in at http://liveintherealworld.blogspot.com/.
HER ENTRY...Does God make us suffer to teach us?
For Christians, the question is, which kind of suffering--persecution for Jesus or the trials of living in the world? The Bible tells us “…we know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance, character; and character, hope. (Romans 5:3,4) The character building kind of suffering to which the New Testament refers the is not disease or other maladies that may result from poor diets, lack of exercise, selfishness, reckless driving, addictions and other versions of choosing our own way. Instead, it referred to persecution for being a Christian, which was prevalent throughout the Roman Empire (and in many parts of the world today). Christians were insulted, their property confiscated, they were imprisoned, flogged, tortured and executed. Jesus said it would happen and none should be surprised since the world treated Him with contempt. This is the kind that should be embraced and rejoiced in because those who endure it will fellowship in Jesus’ sufferings and be rewarded in heaven. (Luke 6:22,23) Even so, Jesus didn’t submit to suffering until the time was right and Paul was always outrunning some murderous plot. They didn’t look for trouble or automatically give in.
We get into problems when we confuse the two kinds of “suffering”. Jesus said, “In this world you will have trouble, but take heart I have overcome the world!” (John 16:33) Yes, we’ve have everyday troubles since Adam and Eve sinned, some of them horrible but these aren’t the ones to be happy about—they’re the ones to get rid of! Some of them we “earned” but we don’t have to “suffer the consequences”. You don’t have to carry them; Jesus already paid the price for our sins and sicknesses. Yes, physical ailments too!
Matt 8:17
16When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. 17This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases." (emphasis added)
Father gives good gifts to His children who ask Him! (Matthew 7: 9-11) Many Christians have been duped into believing that their serious illnesses are a “blessing from God”. That kind of thinking fills cemeteries! Does God make the most of every situation? Absolutely! (Romans 8:28) Does God cause the suffering? No, the devil came to steal, kill and destroy but Jesus came to give us abundant life!
Western thinking has mixed Christianity with pagan Greek mythology, which has it that Pandora was, “given a gift of pain and sorrow for men from every Olympian god” as a punishment. (Redeeming Creation Van Dyke, et al. emphasis added) This kind of thinking paralyzes and keeps our time, attention, energy and resources focused on dealing with illnesses and other trials when we could be out doing the kinds of things for which we might be truly persecuted. The Lord is willing to deliver you from your troubles—just ask! (Psalm 34:19; James 4:2)
MY RETORT:Sorry, can't buy it. Watching people suffer convinced me that there is no god. When religious people in my family were ill and everyone prayed, god didn't answer. They suffered horrifying deaths. When we needed help to save a child in need, god looked the other way.
When brave men and women rushed into a tower to save 2500 people trapped in firey smoke, god let that other plane hit the other tower and let both towers fall. The prayers of 3000 people, their families, and a nation went unanswered.
The worst part is, the terrorists did it to appease God. Go figure.
To me, I prayed. I asked for help, I asked for intervention. It never came. If there is a god I hate him for his shitty customer service record.
Since I stopped believing in some higher power and started solving my own problems things have been much better. I am in charge. God lets the kids starve, the poorest rot in the street. He makes our children stupid with religious lies and makes our nation weak as we clamour and fight over myth.
There is no God. The sooner we accept it and start treating each other well, maybe the world would change in a way Jesus Christ would be proud of.